The peace loving religion of Islam and the evil crusaders –


We in America (and the west in general) have an interesting revisionist way of looking at history. Lately we want to tear down anything to do with Western civilization and elevate anyone else to good guy status. You know the modern western (liberal) attitude: Don’t bother me with facts, my mind’s already made up. After all, all of those nasty 19th century European historians HAD to be wrong because they were such racists and jingoists and all the other bad ists that they were blinded by. People – take off your own blinders and look at history as facts and nothing else.

Let us take the western view of Islam and the crusades. It is popular (and has been for some time) to portray the Europeans who took the Crusades to the East as uneducated barbarians who invaded a peaceful, educated, highly civilized Islamic Empire for no reason except greed and a desire to extend European Hegemony.

Let us look at a few historical facts:

Mohammed was a kook. In the good old American New England Theosophical Society mold: If you don’t like current churches, start your own. If we look at historical records that the Moslems would like buried, we find that Mohammed desperately wanted to be some type of religious guru. He first tried to be accepted by the Orthodox Christian Bishops in Mecca. They rather gently told him that he would have to become a monk and work his way up through the ranks. They were not about to make him a bishop and let him play prophet. Mohammed next tried to get in with the Jews and be accepted as a prophet. They firmly rejected him and told him to get lost. Next he rolled his own. Notice that he felt totally rejected by both Jews and Christians (and he was). Where he found his initial followers is anyone’s guess. But note that both Jim Jones and Charles Manson seem to have had no problem in getting the weak of mind and despondent of spirit to follow them.

The First Crusade was in 1095 as a response to a request for help from Alexis I of the Byzantine Empire to Pope Urban II. The Moslems had been butchering the Byzantine Empire since the beginning, 624 or thereabouts. Christianity had spread across the whole of the Roman Empire and beyond by proselytizing, the spread of Islam was by the sword of conquest, murder and rapine.

The Arabs were not an educated people. There was no great flowering of high civilization in the Arabian peninsula. It takes natural resources to support civilization, and the Arabian peninsula is a little under endowed. Where then, did the high civilization that the Crusaders saw come from? Actually, it was there before the Moslem conquest. The Moslems took it over from the Byzantine Christians. When the Arabs conquered they generally left the Jews and Christians alone other than taking their wealth and placing them in second class conquered status. They usually kept the Byzantine bureaucrats in place. They generally kept Byzantine professionals on the job. Up through the Ottoman conquest, just about all administration was done by conquered Christians. This was the civilization that the Westerners saw. The Arabs did NOT invent algebra, the Byzantines did. In fact, Moslems have contributed nothing to the modern world except pain, suffering, destruction and murder of the innocent.

Now, I’m not saying the Crusaders were perfect, far from it. It is true that the Crusaders killed as many or more Byzantine Christians than Moslems. They looked a lot alike. Middle Eastern people with robes, etc. It is true that the later Crusaders, not the Moslems, dealt the death blow to the Byzantine Empire. The Crusaders destroyed more of Constantinople than the Moslems did.

Now then, if we look at a history timeline, we will see that the Moslem invasion of Europe officially began with the invasion of Spain around 719. Most historians place the crest of the Moslem wave at the battle of Tours in 732. Charles Martel defeated the invaders handily and is credited with having saved Western Europe. This was certainly the rise of the Carolingians if nothing else.

The Battle of Tours was not the end of things. Moslem invasions took place off and on until the Battles of Lepanto (1571) and the last, Vienna in 1683.

It should be noted that the first (Tours) and last (Vienna) were great and desperate struggles fought on European soil. In between, most of the fighting took place in the East, leaving Europe free to have its own internal wars and to come into the Renaissance and beyond. This development could not have taken place if the Moslem Empires from the Umayyad through the Ottoman had not been forced into stalemate in the East.

I know that many people want to talk about the Crusades as misplaced moral wars. Study Clauswitz and the philosophy and causality of war before you go there. Study the science of root causes of war. The stated legal justification for the war is never the real cause of the war. Many people also want to place blame on Western Europe, but really, the first battles were in Spain and France, not the Middle East. So who invaded? It is hard to place the blame for the invasion of Europe on the Europeans. (The same people that think that Americans are reponsible for 9/11 could pull it off). For that matter, we think of the middle East as Moslem, not remembering the great Byzantine Empire that the Moslems tore apart. Moslems are the invaders and aggressors in every historical conflict.

I don’t like George Bush. Not for the same reasons that the liberals hate him. No, for me, he is not nearly conservative or resolute enough. The immigration forgiveness bill made me sick. But – he does have a grasp of the fact that we (the West) are still being invaded by fanatical Moslems intent on conquest and the destruction of our civilization. We either fight them there, or surely we will fight them here. If someone wishes to war with us, then people will die, children will suffer. I suppose it is a bit of a provincial attitude that I have: If the suffering and dying take place because of the actions of some other people, I prefer that it is their people who suffer, not ours. The main thing to remember is that the Moslem terrorists are not fighting for freedom or food or a better future for their children. They hate us. They want to kill us. They want to destroy our civilization. They want to obliterate our culture. And IF they let our children live, they want them to be slaves under Sharia law totally subservient to their Moslem masters.


9 Responses to “The peace loving religion of Islam and the evil crusaders –”

  1. Andreas Says:

    Indeed, I have to agree with your assertions. As pointed out by Dr. Paul Stenhouse ( the Crusades were a defensive reaction against the tyranny of Islam. The first battles were fought on European soil, so… who invaded who?

    Mohammed was not only summarily rejected by Christians and Jews, but he learned a lot of his heretical ideas about Christianity from heretics: namely, Nestorians. It comes as no surprise why even they wouldn’t have anything to do with him.

    Simply put: Islam has been nothing but a scourge on humanity since Day One. Unrevised history is not very complimentary of them, nor does it show where they contributed much in a positive way to human history.

    The one thing Islamic extremists understand and respect is brute force. Israel has about 4,000+ plus years dealing with her enemies, and over 1,000 dealing with muslims. We could learn a lot from Israel.

    As in defeating the Cold War with military might, strength, and the resolve to use deadly force when necessary, the only way we will defeat Islamic extremists is with deadly – and brute – force.

    Do they really want to go there?

  2. Andreas Says:

    P.S. I believe it was General Patton who said something along the lines of, “Patriotism is not dying for your country. It is the enemy dying for his.”

    In this case, I don’t mind the muslims having lots of “martyrs”… as long as they are “over there” and not here. 😀

  3. mtriggs Says:

    Actually, the quote goes like this:
    “No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
    He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.”
    Let’s hope we don’t have to die on our own soil. But I’m very pessimistic about it.

  4. Ahdil Says:

    There is some lies in here. What Orthodox Christian Bishops in Mecca? Now that is a joke, I pretty much stopped reading there.

  5. Robert Says:

    Yes – Islam can have a very negative view, and there is plenty of room fo hotheads that want to preach and practice destruction of the west.

    Also there are two major parts of the Quran, the Meccan period writings, and the Median period ones. The first preaches a positive stance toward Christians, and the later preaches a hate and violence message.
    Mohammed was received by the Orthodox in Mecca but rejected by the Jews in Media.

    A more important thing to notice is that there is a great Christ centered shift in the Islamic world, so much so that the Imams are most worried about loosing their own followers. There is a lot of discontent with the hate rhetoric, and they are looking to Christ, not the western church for the answers. Some may be feined to get inside the church, but not all.
    We as Christians must support and help these new believers in every way possible. They face great risk to come to Christ, or even try to learn about him in their own countries.
    There are many reports of miracles among Moslems by Christ today.

  6. Robert Says:

    An example:
    Meccan period

    Sura [2:62] Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in GOD, and (2) believes in the Last Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.

    Sura [5:57] O you who believe, do not befriend those among the recipients of previous scripture who mock and ridicule your religion, nor shall you befriend the disbelievers. You shall reverence GOD, if you are really believers.

  7. Robert Says:

    More modern news:

    Christianity Today September 2008

    Looking for Home
    Muslim-background believers in the U.S. struggle to find Christian community.
    Christopher Lewis

    September 24, 2008

    Sheltered in a Chicago-area Starbucks one afternoon, Tahir* is dreading the commute home. “My home situation is like a time bomb,” he sighs, describing the tense stand-off between his Christian faith and the Palestinian Muslim family that considers him a traitor.

    Following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, anti-Arab sentiments initially angered Tahir and made him a more devout Muslim. But they also inspired an intense search of the New Testament, which slowly began to convince him of its truths. As Tahir’s new faith took shape, his family became ashamed. Things exploded during a dinner-table debate at which Tahir’s brother-in-law told Tahir’s wife, “If he’s no longer Muslim, your life with him is a sin!”

    Today, as Tahir tries to quietly model Christ to his children, his wife warns that she will enroll them in a mosque or flee to Palestine: “Just because you sold your soul to the Devil doesn’t mean you’re taking the kids with you.” Tahir’s father has disowned him—”You are no longer my son”—and has threatened to recruit Fatah strongmen to beat him.

  8. Robert Says:

    Interesing links

  9. Robert Says:

    Open Doors contacts inside one of the Muslim-dominated countries where we work (which I cannot disclose for security purposes) sent an urgent message. They asked for prayer for Mona (not her real name), a precious sister who recently converted from Islam to Christianity.

    Her family has learned of her decision to follow Jesus. And they are pressing her father to kill her in what is known as an “honor killing.”

    Throughout the Muslim World, brothers and sisters who used to follow Islam … but now follow Jesus (called Muslim Background Believers or MBBs) … are paying the highest price for their faith. Every day they wake up to the possibility of kidnapping, torture and even death.

    Our contacts recently wrote: “They will often lock the believer in a room and starve them for three days. If they still won’t recant, they will be systematically beaten to prepare them to face the torture they will experience in hell for leaving Islam. Their nails could be pulled out and their teeth knocked out. They can be tortured with a hot iron to help them understand the fires of hell awaiting them.”

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